Hammerhead's... uh history.

[James]

jono, are you referring to my ONLY (head inflates) loss in CoK besides CoK3? Jav and I played Tog and You on Mt Ding Jun, and you won because Wei has an advantage over Shu there.

I would have thought I'd be a bit dissimilar to Doof, s'all

[Javelina aka Wu Tugu]

Yeah, those were the days we always fought together, Bags(Eeeevil) and I, since you had to fight with an adviser, and Max was.....well, obvioulsy a bit wishy washy! (another Hammer plot foiled,. He thought I would trust his friend Max with all of our strategy. Since I did not, Hammer was convinced we had no strategy!)

We also had to play the Allied side of YTFortress against the Nanman who played YT side. (Bags and I) Also lopsided against us because of the duels and WOpps.

I think one of the reasons Nanman lost in the tourney first was because they had fewer lopsided battles to throw at other kingdoms when defending.

[James]

you never told me you had those suspicions about Max! I was incredibly naive in the first Clash and told him all my strategies!

[Javelina aka Wu Tugu]

Well, let's just say I was suspicious, and in those days I kind of just did what I wanted anyway and most of the advice from Max was all about attacking Wei, which is why I did not listen to him. He always called me my Lord but never acted like he liked me, and he showed obvious friendship for the enemy,

Basically I saw that Wu had been placed in the most advantageous position when in alliance with us. It was obvious that since Wei was just sitting tight with a "turtle defense", the only chance for a supply depot was Nanman, who were way over across the map. We pretty much had to make a run for their depot. before Wu did and then attacked us. The reason I gave the two lands was to test Wu as someone who would help in an attack on Wei. I wanted to force them to show what their plans were with Wei. It was worth two lands to see what they were really going to do.

When they made no real effort to help attack Wei it confirmed the fact that their whole plan had been to get the Nanman depot and then probably turn on us. We beat them to it, discovered their intentions to break our alliance, and then managed to break through the turtle defens of Wei and get their depot. At that point we had basically won, except to attack Wu any further would mean allowing them to pick the defensive battles and we all knew which ones we would always lose at that point, (Yi Ling, can't remember the others but there were several Wu defense battles and hammer claimed he could choose the same ones over and over if he wanted to), so no one would attack anyone else becaue it would have been suicide.

With the setup of COK and the fact that you had to play your actual kingdom's side in a battle and the fact that the defense picked the battle, it is amazing we actually were able to play it so long. This type of setup would only work once, because once everyone knows which battles to choose, it is no fun. That is why I "whined" by making the suggestion that we go to playing the same battle side or to a rotation of all the battles and not put in the item limits (since some people were obvioulsy cheating on which items they used). Solid decided it was better never to change the rules so the tourney had to stop. Hammer was happy because he claimed we did not win even though we were way ahead in lands.

But like I say, he just admitted the loss, so now it is truly history!

[Hammer]

Javelina said:

Well, let's just say I was suspicious, and in those days I kind of just did what I wanted anyway and most of the advice from Max was all about attacking Wei, which is why I did not listen to him. He always called me my Lord but never acted like he liked me, and he showed obvious friendship for the enemy,

Basically I saw that Wu had been placed in the most advantageous position when in alliance with us. It was obvious that since Wei was just sitting tight with a "turtle defense", the only chance for a supply depot was Nanman, who were way over across the map. We pretty much had to make a run for their depot. before Wu did and then attacked us. The reason I gave the two lands was to test Wu as someone who would help in an attack on Wei. I wanted to force them to show what their plans were with Wei. It was worth two lands to see what they were really going to do.

When they made no real effort to help attack Wei it confirmed the fact that their whole plan had been to get the Nanman depot and then probably turn on us. We beat them to it, discovered their intentions to break our alliance, and then managed to break through the turtle defens of Wei and get their depot. At that point we had basically won, except to attack Wu any further would mean allowing them to pick the defensive battles and we all knew which ones we would always lose at that point, (Yi Ling, can't remember the others but there were several Wu defense battles and hammer claimed he could choose the same ones over and over if he wanted to), so no one would attack anyone else becaue it would have been suicide.

With the setup of COK and the fact that you had to play your actual kingdom's side in a battle and the fact that the defense picked the battle, it is amazing we actually were able to play it so long. This type of setup would only work once, because once everyone knows which battles to choose, it is no fun. That is why I "whined" by making the suggestion that we go to playing the same battle side or to a rotation of all the battles and not put in the item limits (since some people were obvioulsy cheating on which items they used). Solid decided it was better never to change the rules so the tourney had to stop. Hammer was happy because he claimed we did not win even though we were way ahead in lands.

But like I say, he just admitted the loss, so now it is truly history!

Whether you had given us the land or not, our plan to betray you was planned by me and Togera much before. It was more of an add on. I actually said to solid to give the land back... but he disagreed and we kept it while betraying you. And because of that we gained a bit of infamy, but still just giving a gift of land to an untrustful ally is suicide.

Shu has the advantage over Wu on every stage, when we did attack, you picked stages like Yi Ling where we would not even have a chance. That is why we stood defensively the whole time and played stages in which were fair, and we usually picked the same ones because we began to grow skilled in them, such as Hu Lao Gate, and Chi Bi.

We never really went for a depot, but more of observed Shu to make sure you didn't make a mad rush for them. Our plan was after Wei and Nanman were gone, we would split the depots and have an all out battle with sides with even odds. But since we saw you just dash into Nanman's land, and getting close to Wei's depot, that is when me and Togera made up a plan.

We had to do something then... if we had waited until you beat Nanman or Wei then we would be landlocked toast. I basically ran Wu... solid ran the COK. I made almost all of the decisions, most of the plans and ploys, alliances, whatever. Solid was a bit lacking as a ruler, and as a top advisor, and educated in both DW and strategy, he basically kinda let me take over and run it because he trusted me. I did almost all I could to help Wu. In both COK1 and COK2 I searched for talent in DW through out almost everywhere, and I trained the ones that were lacking. I also tried multiple things to have full loyalty and keep the warriors entertained in the peaceful times (which... anyone who has been a ruler, isn't very easy).

During that time me and spike almost got him into Shu as a spy... we staged a whole big arguement (quite Ironic how he was Huang Gai... like the battle of Chi Bi.) Then, I didn't know max hardly at all, but I did know naved. Naved was a bit naive and thick headed, but I greatly underestimated Maxwell. Almost towards the end of the plan, I had noticed that Maxwell knew out intentions. Me and spike quit the plan because we knew he would be a dead man if he went to shu. I then took a liking to max and we eventually made oath.

That is when we tried multiple attempts and almost EVERYTHING we could to get him over. Until then, he would give me any information on Shu of interest... like what was going on on the boards. After a while though, he grew... somewhat irritable of the fact we had oath for a reason I still don't know and we went through this long thing and it turned out to be cool.

Also during that time, I took a liking into COW. We talked and I became good friends of him. We then began talk of politics in COK. I forgot his real motive for wanting to come, but I think it was for lack of attention. I then promised he would have a better service under Wu, and I convinced him to come to our side. But... that didn't really work out either.

Both of those defection attempts didn't work because of Solid's crazy ass rules >_<.

And I still don't think you won. No body in any COK has won... the goal is to unify the land... and that has yet to be done. If it were to happen, I would be very well surprised. It is like the vie for the 3 kingdoms to come to power. Usually one kingdom is wiped out at the beginning of COK... (COK1 The nanman... kinda, COK2 Lu Bu's forces, COK3 Wu, COK4 Wu.) then 3 kingdoms get into a major deadlock... but if one were to get a signifigant win over both, then it may be finishable.

And uh... thats all for now.

[Javelina aka Wu Tugu]

That was pretty funny, too bad it is all for now! But I liked the previous post where you admitted you lost!

[Hammer]

Psh... Like I would really mean it in the way you want it to. I mean it as you had more land...

[Zhang He]

You also forgot to mention my defection plan into Wu. I can't believe we started talking to eachother because of my evil spying plan.

Too bad Togee accidentily blabbed about my scheme to infiltrate Wu.

[James]

you know what would rule? If we redid CoK1, only with 3 changes:

1) No item restrictions, because you can't keep track of them
2) You don't have to play your own side in each battle
3) You don't have to stick to your character's kingdom

If we did that, I think we could recreate the godliness of the first Clash, and keep the main improvements from the other clashes.

[Dark]

I don't think it would work bags, most of the original players won't play anymore and that was the biggest reason why cok 1 was the best :/

[SOE]

Wu isn't down yet!